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Friday, November 4th 2011, 11:54am

We want your opinion!

Dear Players,

now that we're finished revising our sourcecode, and also put the newest PHP-version on our servers, we want to make your gaming experience in Tagoria even more exciting and entertaining. For that, there are two potential possibilities:

The first option: We open a completely new, multilingual world, i.e. an international game world in which players from all over the world could play simultaneously, chat and get to know each other.

The second option: We merge a few of the existing worlds together, thus optimising their appeal and the enjoyment you get out of them.

Your opinion is important to us. Please tell us which option you would prefer and why!

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Friday, November 4th 2011, 4:13pm

I am prefer the second option, because we did not have to restart from zero at this point and even if we do start from a zero level, we can grow faster than the first option. With the financial issues, as I am not that rich to spend fortunes to build another char from zero.


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Friday, November 4th 2011, 4:13pm

oppinion by little one.

My oppinion on this merging and opening a new world:

Merging worlds would give a huge benefit on the older world players,
cause of the high lvl's
It migh be a good thing, but im a skeptic by nature.

I dont like the idea of a new world and there for my oppinion about that is:

No new world, but instead merge W7 internationally with other W7's
There are too many worlds in a small game allready...

Just my oppinion though ;)
Im sure we can get better ideas...

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Friday, November 4th 2011, 4:24pm

I forgot to mention...

What happens to the accos when you have 2-3 accos in a possibly merged world?

Can we merge our accos too ???

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Friday, November 4th 2011, 4:33pm

I prefer second option, multi language SB would be nightmarish, although I have issues with a merge as well.

I have accounts in w1/2/6/7. Won't that show up as multi accounting if all 4 characters are merged into 1 world ?

Either way, congrats on finally listening to the players !!!!

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Friday, November 4th 2011, 4:44pm

Personally, I think starting a new international world separate from existing ones is a good concept. This way everyone there starts from scratch on a level playing field and it is their choice to join it or not as they choose. And they will.

As a former Tag moderator, I envision massive disorder and endless nightmares!!!

I think the others worlds should remain as they are.

Can you provide more details about how you believe each of these two ideas will play out. There really isn't enough info provided in which to give an informed opinion.
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Friday, November 4th 2011, 4:52pm

option TWO!! Create a new world that combines some of the less active smaller worlds, bettre use of resources, more exciting for existing players... or allow Players a one time chance of leaving worlds and migrating to a new world...then combine all the smaller ones..

anyways what ever you do.. Let's make this gamne fun again..

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Friday, November 4th 2011, 5:06pm


option TWO!! Create a new world that combines some of the less active smaller worlds, bettre use of resources, more exciting for existing players... or allow Players a one time chance of leaving worlds and migrating to a new world...then combine all the smaller ones..
apply a level limit to enter this new world and i vote in that sollution

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Friday, November 4th 2011, 5:10pm

Can you provide more details about how you believe each of these two ideas will play out. There really isn't enough info provided in which to give an informed opinion.
I agree with Okara.
Provide us with more content about these options.

-scar-

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Friday, November 4th 2011, 5:14pm

Please assume that both options will be available. The question at this point is not how it can be done, right now, but what shall be done.

The "how" is something we will let the design team deal with, later on. ( :D )


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Friday, November 4th 2011, 5:22pm

My preference would be number 2, where we can merge worlds.
I am not inclined to start over a new "international world" just don't have the money to do that.
Plus I am a mod, I agree with what Porto says, as a multi language SB will create havoc, trust me...

I have to say that I play in W1 W2 & W4.
So give me an option on how to combine that in a merged world.
Well we need a fair options for the players who play in different world, not just keep one and delete the others :D

Give us more details too, it's too little to say with just such little info

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Friday, November 4th 2011, 5:25pm

Please assume that both options will be available. The question at this point is not how it can be done, right now, but what shall be done.

The "how" is something we will let the design team deal with, later on. ( :D )


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it sure can be done but what many players wants to know (and quite for a while now) is: what is gonna happen to the people who have accs on merging worlds? ...maybe if this question is answered people could choose if it's any good or not
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Friday, November 4th 2011, 5:32pm

#2

My preference would be number 2 there is no way i am starting over again

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Friday, November 4th 2011, 5:33pm

Hi Edwin, Porto, Okara....:-)



this I felt important enough to create a new forum account.



I agree with all mods (and former mods) about having 1 BIG Multilangual world. It will be Totally hopeless in SB" Also dont feel like to spend thousends of Euros again to start all over. But I suspect GAS would not be bothered by that (If everybody starts all over)



So "best " solution seems like merging worlds. Ofcourse the offer of merging of the worlds is imo only because the amounts of active players are dropping drastically. It saves money to merge !!!



OK let me give some positive feedback....



I would like a merge if its done wisely...that means that GAS will make sure that it will not ending up in having 1 or 2 worlds with all old German players in it. ( level 100 up)



I think merging Eng W1-W2 and seperate W3-W4 and seperate W5-W6-W7 is a good solution. Levels then are not so far apart.



So merge I would say......still some info about "double charachteres " would be nice to hear upfront.





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Friday, November 4th 2011, 6:31pm

merge

merge the worlds, but what will happen with the SB?
we cannot talk arabian nor turkish...maybe a rule that in SB everybody will talk English???

but a new world where to start from zero.... no way...

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Friday, November 4th 2011, 6:49pm

I would assume it would be same language worlds they would combine...

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Friday, November 4th 2011, 7:16pm

Given the two options, I'd go with #2.

And hugs back to Edwin :D:D:D
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Friday, November 4th 2011, 10:31pm

Who Cares?

Who cares what you do?

All of your changes (which I suppose were intended to force non-premium players to become premium) have so disadvantaged non-premium players that there is little point in playing unless you become premium, or were at the top before the changes happened.

It is no fun buying your way to the top, and it's no fun competing against people who want to buy their way to the top .... so who cares what you do. There are only a handful of players left anyway, and there's certainly no incentive for others to join.

You may think the free shoutbox is a wonderful innovation. Have you counted how few people use it?

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Saturday, November 5th 2011, 3:06am

Rufus,

LOL There are 1.7+ MILLION Tagorians out there. I suspect there are enough to cover the costs of running the joint. (And GAS removes dormant accounts fairly quickly so I trust the numbers).

Just sayin'.

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Saturday, November 5th 2011, 3:28am

Option 2 for me as I would not start over again after puttting so much effort and money into my character. But if we were able to take our existing characters into option 1 new world then maybe

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Saturday, November 5th 2011, 5:20am

Rufus,

LOL There are 1.7+ MILLION Tagorians out there. I suspect there are enough to cover the costs of running the joint. (And GAS removes dormant accounts fairly quickly so I trust the numbers).

Just sayin'.
You're entitled to believe what you want but if you believe that there are 1.7 million active Tagorians or that GAS removes inactive accounts quickly, I can only tell you (having played since 2008) that most people left years ago in disgust. Either you work for GAS or you're sadly mistaken.

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Saturday, November 5th 2011, 5:44am

Who cares?

Just to add to the above, I only play W3. If there are 100 regular players on that world, I'd be surprised.

Any regular W3 player disagree with me?

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Saturday, November 5th 2011, 6:11am

Who cares?

Oh, and the last comment in the SB at this time was more than 10.5 hours ago. Does that sound like 1.7 million regular users?

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Saturday, November 5th 2011, 8:11am

Option 2 certainly... combining all stocks (dias, stuff, companions)
This would generate massive auctions, but would be great fun :)

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Saturday, November 5th 2011, 11:30am

as an ex player I have no invested interest in how this pans out, but as I have been having a look on here lately, I just thought I would post these links where these discussions have occurred in the past ,which may give food for thought for some :)

Multi-language worlds

Merge the older worlds

Merging Wolrd for More Activity

combine worlds

close all worlds and start new world 1

My opinion on what GAS should do to fix this game

Although it doesnt affect me, the game would be healthier if they merged all worlds, and the multi language world would be nice and chaotic, and certainly mix things up a bit

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Saturday, November 5th 2011, 10:51pm

Quick addition to my Option 2 vote.

Take the strongest of our characters to the new combined world.

Give all players full premium for a period of 3 to 6 months to compensate for loss of whatever characters and expenses they incurred in building them in other worlds.
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Saturday, November 5th 2011, 11:29pm

Losing either 1 of my premium chars should be compensated then with app. 70 months of premium since I invested 2000E in these chars each over the last 3 years

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Saturday, November 5th 2011, 11:38pm

I suppose so. But I think it's like buying a new car; as soon as you drive it off the car lot, it massively depreciates. :(
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Sunday, November 6th 2011, 12:13am

I vote option one #1

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Sunday, November 6th 2011, 3:45am

Rufus,

LOL There are 1.7+ MILLION Tagorians out there. I suspect there are enough to cover the costs of running the joint. (And GAS removes dormant accounts fairly quickly so I trust the numbers).

Just sayin'.


didn't you meant "Just dreamin'"? :whistling:
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Sunday, November 6th 2011, 3:28pm

I will vote for option 2, merge worlds.

Should this happen though I have a suggestion which would be equitable for those with characters in multiple worlds, give them the ability to choose which character they are going to keep (assuming they can only keep one) and then allow them to transfer their entire inventory over to their main character (unused premium tickets, diamonds, divine favours, rune stones, weapons, armor, helmets, pauldrons, rings, wristbands, amulets, healing remedies, (maybe even companion/pet, though there'd have to be a stipulation to allow multiple pets) everything).

*waves* Hey Okara Stonefield, long time since I've seen you around here. *hug* Miss you (and your cookies :D) around W1.
Rufus,

LOL There are 1.7+ MILLION Tagorians out there. I suspect there are enough to cover the costs of running the joint. (And GAS removes dormant accounts fairly quickly so I trust the numbers).

Just sayin'.
I kind of figured they were also counting the many dead/inactive accounts, and that they were mostly dead accounts.
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Monday, November 7th 2011, 7:37pm

Having been a Mod I do know they eliminate inactives regularly. But they are diligent about checking those accounts for any recent activity by account owners first.

However, this discussion is about merging options. ;)
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Tuesday, November 8th 2011, 2:30am

my 2 cents worth

option 2 as long as my accounts in w1 and w2 stay seperate

i would not been keen to lose a 2nd lvl 80 or the investment

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Tuesday, November 8th 2011, 2:35am

my 2 cents worth

option 2 as long as my accounts in w1 and w2 stay seperate

i would not been keen to lose a 2nd lvl 80 or the investment

hi okara long time gidday ports mickey aoa and the rest

G'day mate :D

Agrees with ya, I dont wanna lose any of my w2/6 and 7.

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Tuesday, November 8th 2011, 10:49am

i would like a new multilang world ..after what they sent with the posibility to choose lang i would really prefer a brand new BIG world :D
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Tuesday, November 8th 2011, 11:06am

sorry for the second post but i would like to add that i would like if such world was created to have the market that we once had so we can make deal betwen us without the auction an so we can sell again stuff to blacsmith for diamonds
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Tuesday, November 8th 2011, 8:23pm

Good point, sorin!

I really miss not being able to sell my gear on the open market. Selling to the Blacksmith at such a deep discount is not fair but it's the only game in town.

It's easy enough to restrict price range and helpful to low level players. And since there is already a penalty for wearing gear that's higher level than the player this should not cause problems - except for those who don't read the forum and game guide.
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Wednesday, November 9th 2011, 7:58pm

I'm also in favour of option 2. Merge similar worlds EN1 and EN2. EN3 and EN4



You have you ask yourselves why this is being done? I can only assume that player interest is falling off. If that is the case then I would prefer that precious programming time was spent on improving Tagoria: more locations, more monsters, special quests, artifacts that improve weaponry etc.



We already get to test ourselves against other worlds in the regular Tournaments. Generating a multilanguage, multi national world would not add much. And frankly I really don't fancy meeting a player like Torghest who must have spent literally thousands of Euros on his character on a regular basis.



So if you are listening GAS, as you say you are. Tell me why you want to merge worlds rather than improve the game?


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Monday, January 23rd 2012, 8:21pm

The INFO message of Today about Merge Worlds

Information on the World-Merge


Dear Players,

The announcement of the world-merge has caused quite a stir, and all this suspense has since resulted in a lot of curiosity as to when and how the worlds will be merged. We completely understand this interest and would therefore like to update you on the current state of things.

The world-merge is quite a challenging task. Not only in terms of the technology, but also the game mechanics and game rules are proving to be quite tricky. Although we've already mastered many of the technical challenges with the creation of the international world (which, in many respects, is very similar to the merged worlds), we don't want to rush into the world-merge. Instead, we'd rather use our experiences from the international world in order to guarantee that the transition is as smooth as possible.

Rest assured, we're working under a lot of pressure to get it finished. We're looking forward to it just as much as you, and would like to make the merge happen as soon as possible.

Kind Regards,
Your Tagoria Support Team



Thanx for your INFO and ofcourse everybody understand how difficult things can be !

However......can GAS ..Illuminate us by already revealing which directions are taken. For example how worlds are seperated. Does Game development follow our advises about merging worlds according the time they exist...
How about the mountain thingy ???

So ...some INFO would be great :thumbsup:

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Wednesday, January 25th 2012, 12:10pm

Ye of little faith, info-burger coming right up:

Rest assured, we believe that the world-merge will improve the game in itself. Not only will there be more players to fight with/talk to/roll around in the mud with, they will also be at a more similar playing level. This should make the game fairer for everyone, since worlds with lots of high level "tixxers" will be grouped together, and similarly, worlds with low level non-prems will also be bundled together.

If you haven't already gathered from our announcements, the merge will be across different languages and therefore create multilingual "solar-systems" of several worlds. The reasoning behind this is that in general, players would rather play with players of a similar level than players of the same language. Using the worlds of all the different languages gives the developers a lot more choice & variety of playing levels. For example, 3EN might be almost identical to 4FR (hypothetically speaking) in terms of the average playing level, and therefore more suitable than coupling 3EN with 7EN, which may be full of high level players.

As yet, however, we can't tell you exactly which worlds are going to be merged, since it is still being worked out. But don't worry, we will keep you informed.

Mmmm....info-burger :P

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